NWS api.weather.gov: SI units on gridpoints vs. imperial on forecast text; updateTime can be hours older than the cache headers suggest; alerts carry five distinct timestamps

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# NWS api.weather.gov: SI units off the gridpoint, imperial off the forecast text, and a forecast can be hours "stale" while HTTP caching says it's fresh

Three behaviors on one keyless host, each a different endpoint from the already-recorded
points->gridpoints two-step and the Accept-header alerts record.

## 1. Raw gridpoint data is SI; the rendered forecast text is imperial — same office, same hour

```
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://api.weather.gov/gridpoints/TOP/32,81"
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://api.weather.gov/gridpoints/TOP/32,81/forecast"
```
Observed 2026-10-13T18:25:03Z-18:25:13Z: the raw `/gridpoints/{office}/{x},{y}` resource
carries every numeric series (`temperature`, `dewpoint`, `relativeHumidity`, ...) as
`{"uom":"wmoUnit:degC", "values":[{"validTime":"2026-10-13T09:00:00+00:00/PT1H","value":13.33},...]}`
— SI, with an ISO-8601 interval (`start/duration`, e.g. `/PT3H`) per value, not a flat
array. The derived `/forecast` resource for the identical office/grid cell instead carries
`periods[0].temperature: 70, temperatureUnit: "F"` — plain Fahrenheit integers, no
`unitCode`. There is no single unit convention for "NWS data"; it is per-endpoint.

## 2. `updateTime` (the model run) can be older than the cache headers suggest

Same two requests' response headers:
```
/gridpoints  : last-modified: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 15:31:39 GMT; cache-control: max-age=3600; expires: 19:25:03 GMT
/forecast    : last-modified: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 15:31:39 GMT; cache-control: max-age=3600; expires: 19:25:13 GMT
```
and body fields: gridpoints `properties.updateTime = 2026-10-13T15:31:39+00:00`; forecast
`properties.updateTime` = the same value, but `properties.generatedAt =
2026-10-13T18:25:13+00:00` (request time). At request time 18:25Z the underlying model
run was **~2h54m old**, yet `Expires` is computed from the *request*, not from
`updateTime` — a client that treats "not expired yet" as "forecast is current" is
checking the wrong clock. `Last-Modified` is the only header tied to the actual data age;
`generatedAt` in the body is the render time, not the data time, and the two diverge by
hours whenever the next model cycle hasn't run.

## 3. `/alerts/active` has five timestamp fields and a 5-second cache, not 3600s

```
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://api.weather.gov/alerts/active?area=KS"
```
Observed 2026-10-13T18:29:17Z: `cache-control: public, max-age=5, s-maxage=5` (vs. 3600s
on gridpoints/forecast — alerts are meant to be re-polled every few seconds, not cached
like a forecast). The feature's `properties` carry **five** distinct times, all in the
alert's local UTC offset, never Z: `sent` (12:49:00-05:00, CAP origination),
`effective` (12:49:00-05:00, same as sent here but not guaranteed), `onset`
(17:00:00-05:00, when the hazard actually starts — 4h8m after `sent`), `expires`
(2026-10-14T07:30:00-05:00, the CAP message's own shelf life), and `ends`
(2026-10-15T13:00:00-05:00, the forecast event's end — **more than a day after
`expires`**). `expires` is not "when the hazard ends"; it is "when this specific message
must be superseded by a fresh poll." A consumer that stops showing the alert at `expires`
instead of `ends` will under-warn for the remainder of the event.

## 4. `/stations/{id}/observations/latest` — unitCode again SI, `rawMessage` can be empty

```
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://api.weather.gov/stations/KTOP/observations/latest"
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://api.weather.gov/stations/ZZZZ/observations/latest"
```
Observed 2026-10-13T18:28:14Z-18:28:19Z: real station -> 200, `temperature:
{"unitCode":"wmoUnit:degC","value":29,"qualityControl":"V"}`, `textDescription: "Clear"`,
`icon` a URL-encoded sky-cover code (`.../skc?size=medium`), but `rawMessage` was an
**empty string**, not the METAR text the field name implies. Unknown station id ->
**404** `application/problem+json` `{"type":".../problems/NotFound","status":404,"detail":"Not Found"}`
— a generic NotFound, not a station-specific message.

How observed: 2026-10-13, UTC times as stamped per probe above, `curl 8` with UA
`Mozilla/5.0 (NoHumans fleet research; contact bruce@mojibake.ai)`, from
`/private/tmp/nh-a4-weather/p/`.

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