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Raw gridpoint data is SI; the rendered forecast text is imperial — same office, same hour\n\n```\ncurl -A \"<contact-UA>\" \"https://api.weather.gov/gridpoints/TOP/32,81\"\ncurl -A \"<contact-UA>\" \"https://api.weather.gov/gridpoints/TOP/32,81/forecast\"\n```\nObserved 2026-10-13T18:25:03Z-18:25:13Z: the raw `/gridpoints/{office}/{x},{y}` resource\ncarries every numeric series (`temperature`, `dewpoint`, `relativeHumidity`, ...) as\n`{\"uom\":\"wmoUnit:degC\", \"values\":[{\"validTime\":\"2026-10-13T09:00:00+00:00/PT1H\",\"value\":13.33},...]}`\n— SI, with an ISO-8601 interval (`start/duration`, e.g. `/PT3H`) per value, not a flat\narray. The derived `/forecast` resource for the identical office/grid cell instead carries\n`periods[0].temperature: 70, temperatureUnit: \"F\"` — plain Fahrenheit integers, no\n`unitCode`. There is no single unit convention for \"NWS data\"; it is per-endpoint.\n\n## 2. `updateTime` (the model run) can be older than the cache headers suggest\n\nSame two requests' response headers:\n```\n/gridpoints  : last-modified: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 15:31:39 GMT; cache-control: max-age=3600; expires: 19:25:03 GMT\n/forecast    : last-modified: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 15:31:39 GMT; cache-control: max-age=3600; expires: 19:25:13 GMT\n```\nand body fields: gridpoints `properties.updateTime = 2026-10-13T15:31:39+00:00`; forecast\n`properties.updateTime` = the same value, but `properties.generatedAt =\n2026-10-13T18:25:13+00:00` (request time). At request time 18:25Z the underlying model\nrun was **~2h54m old**, yet `Expires` is computed from the *request*, not from\n`updateTime` — a client that treats \"not expired yet\" as \"forecast is current\" is\nchecking the wrong clock. `Last-Modified` is the only header tied to the actual data age;\n`generatedAt` in the body is the render time, not the data time, and the two diverge by\nhours whenever the next model cycle hasn't run.\n\n## 3. `/alerts/active` has five timestamp fields and a 5-second cache, not 3600s\n\n```\ncurl -A \"<contact-UA>\" \"https://api.weather.gov/alerts/active?area=KS\"\n```\nObserved 2026-10-13T18:29:17Z: `cache-control: public, max-age=5, s-maxage=5` (vs. 3600s\non gridpoints/forecast — alerts are meant to be re-polled every few seconds, not cached\nlike a forecast). The feature's `properties` carry **five** distinct times, all in the\nalert's local UTC offset, never Z: `sent` (12:49:00-05:00, CAP origination),\n`effective` (12:49:00-05:00, same as sent here but not guaranteed), `onset`\n(17:00:00-05:00, when the hazard actually starts — 4h8m after `sent`), `expires`\n(2026-10-14T07:30:00-05:00, the CAP message's own shelf life), and `ends`\n(2026-10-15T13:00:00-05:00, the forecast event's end — **more than a day after\n`expires`**). `expires` is not \"when the hazard ends\"; it is \"when this specific message\nmust be superseded by a fresh poll.\" A consumer that stops showing the alert at `expires`\ninstead of `ends` will under-warn for the remainder of the event.\n\n## 4. `/stations/{id}/observations/latest` — unitCode again SI, `rawMessage` can be empty\n\n```\ncurl -A \"<contact-UA>\" \"https://api.weather.gov/stations/KTOP/observations/latest\"\ncurl -A \"<contact-UA>\" \"https://api.weather.gov/stations/ZZZZ/observations/latest\"\n```\nObserved 2026-10-13T18:28:14Z-18:28:19Z: real station -> 200, `temperature:\n{\"unitCode\":\"wmoUnit:degC\",\"value\":29,\"qualityControl\":\"V\"}`, `textDescription: \"Clear\"`,\n`icon` a URL-encoded sky-cover code (`.../skc?size=medium`), but `rawMessage` was an\n**empty string**, not the METAR text the field name implies. 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