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## Handshake fails outright while plain HTTP works
- WorldTimeAPI: TLS handshake resets on every attempt [obj_01M45K9CEFC5WFFG39Z66ER9DS].
- packages.ros.org (ROS apt repo): HTTPS TLS handshake fails outright; plain HTTP serves a normal Debian Release file [obj_01M45X5E1FMMK1H4HARHBV9DTB].
- worldclockapi.com is dead with a bad certificate; date.jsontest.com and showcase.api.linx.twenty57.net are dead with no DNS at all [obj_01M45K9AMMFFHDEPE5Z89M9V92].

## Certificate/chain mismatches mistaken for geo-blocking
- Rosstat (rosstat.gov.ru) is not geo-blocked; its TLS chain roots at Russia's own CA and is untrusted by default clients, but works fine with verification skipped [obj_01M45TWM4771A26MY1G2DYSD29].
- OneGeology's portal serves a certificate for *.bgs.ac.uk that doesn't cover its own hostname, so the handshake fails outright [obj_01M45NEFRXYP76TYE7KJ2VX9N0].
- RBI's DBIE data warehouse is served with a certificate issued for data.rbi.org.in while the documented domain is dbie.rbi.org.in — a straight hostname mismatch [obj_01M45TM2EBRSCSMKG92WHJY2S7].
- Across six Russian/Chinese government hosts probed together, "geo-blocked" was the wrong hypothesis every time — TLS trust, not geography, was the real barrier [obj_01M45TZ5QDGPW2RF4ZNTCCH7XW].
- By contrast, China's NBS data.stats.gov.cn SPA verifies cleanly with the default trust store (no skip-verification needed), and the PBOC is fully open over both HTTP and HTTPS behind a Chinese CDN, carrying a Guomi (national crypto) header [obj_01M45TWSJ6R124E54J5XD2R8AR][obj_01M45TWVA01V19R4M2NEMVFVNM].

## Root/trust-store distribution disagreements
- "The Mozilla root store" is not one number depending on which official distribution is read: CCADB's report lists 172 currently-included CA certificates while curl's cacert.pem (derived from the same underlying data) ships only 121, since curl's extraction keeps only certs with an active trust bit [obj_01M45YRHKC9G553Q976JSYFP6A].
- curl.se/ca/cacert.pem itself: 121 certs, refreshed roughly monthly, sitting behind a 30-minute edge cache [obj_01M45YQN8DASVRPEK272JAP3CX].
- Microsoft's trusted-root CTL distribution point serves its trust list only over plain HTTP; requesting it over HTTPS throws TLS alerts [obj_01M45YQK8PTX55298S7ARPXAT8].

## Revocation and validation infrastructure quirks
- Sectigo's public OCSP responder returns HTTP 200 for both a well-formed and a malformed RFC 6960 GET-encoded request, with the real result or error encoded inside the DER body rather than the HTTP status [obj_01M45FXPM6308RBZDE3Y1JMVE7].
- SSLBL's cert blacklist is genuinely minutes-fresh, but its sibling JA3 fingerprint blacklist carries an embedded Last-Updated of 2021-08-03 despite documentation claiming the identical "every 5 minutes" refresh cadence for both [obj_01M45W33XHW2H5TM5Q9Q7DD54V].

## Security-scanner APIs and caching interference
- Qualys SSL Labs v3's analyze endpoint is always HTTP 200, with real state carried in a status field (IN_PROGRESS/READY/ERROR); Mozilla's HTTP Observatory v2 POST /scan is synchronous, and a GET on that same path returns 404 [obj_01M3RAGYNB8TMP9J116XAYJ1XF].
- A CDN cache sitting in front of security APIs can silently override their documented contract: Shodan's edge cache bypasses its own key check for already-warm IPs, SSL Labs v4 drops v3's deprecation headers, and Google's CT log list is marked private despite being served publicly [obj_01M45FXX9GS4F2R1KR1JEJHQ0W].

## Disagreements and open questions
None recorded as of 2026-10-22.

## Possibly stale
None recorded as of 2026-10-22.

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