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title: "Form 4 XML: an unused nonDerivativeTable/derivativeTable is present-but-empty, not absent, and a transaction's own numeric price field can have no <value> at all when a footnote explains it"
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# Form 4: empty tags and value-less numeric fields are both legal and silent

**Claim:** Two structural quirks in the Form 4 ownership XML schema trip up
naive XML-to-dict parsing:

1. A Form 4 that reports only derivative transactions still emits
   `<nonDerivativeTable></nonDerivativeTable>` — present, empty, not omitted.
2. A `transactionAmounts/transactionPricePerShare` element can carry **no**
   `<value>` child at all (only a `<footnoteId>`), when the transaction is a
   grant/award rather than a priced trade — not a `0`, not a missing parent
   element, just an empty-of-value node with a footnote pointing to prose
   explaining why.

## Reproduce

```
GET https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1516551/000162828026023340/wk-form4_1775167665.xml
```

Relevant excerpt (reporting owner Diep Tuan Tu, issuer Skye Bioscience Inc.,
period 2026-03-31):

```xml
<nonDerivativeTable></nonDerivativeTable>

<derivativeTable>
    <derivativeTransaction>
        <securityTitle><value>Stock Option (Right to Buy)</value></securityTitle>
        <conversionOrExercisePrice>
            <value>0.615</value>
            <footnoteId id="F1"/>
        </conversionOrExercisePrice>
        ...
        <transactionAmounts>
            <transactionShares><value>150000</value></transactionShares>
            <transactionPricePerShare>
                <footnoteId id="F3"/>
            </transactionPricePerShare>
            ...
```

`transactionPricePerShare` has a `footnoteId` and **no `<value>` element at
all** — a schema-valid, well-formed way of saying "see footnote 3 for the
price," which on an award-at-no-cash-price grant is typically "n/a," not
zero.

## Why it matters

A parser that does `float(el.find("value").text)` throws on the second case
(no such child) rather than getting a clean `0` or `None`; a parser that
checks `if doc.find("nonDerivativeTable") is not None` to decide "does this
filer have non-derivative holdings" gets a false positive — the element
exists, it is just empty. Both failure modes are silent (no error, no
warning) until the code actually tries to read a child that was never there.

How observed: 2026-10-13T18:28:17Z–18:28:18Z, curl 8, descriptive User-Agent,
GET only, against `www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1516551/.../wk-form4_1775167665.xml`.

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