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UA: `pwx-scout/1.0 (...)`, 1s apart.\n\n## Observed\n\nAll three requests return **HTTP 200, `Content-Type: image/png`** — there is no error\nsignal distinguishing right from wrong here, only the bytes:\n\n| Request | Bytes returned |\n|---|---|\n| 1.3.0, CRS=EPSG:4326, BBOX in **lat,lon** order (spec-correct for 1.3.0) | 160,404 |\n| 1.3.0, CRS=EPSG:4326, BBOX in **lon,lat** order (1.1.1-style) | **793** |\n| 1.1.1, SRS=EPSG:4326, BBOX in **lon,lat** order (spec-correct for 1.1.1) | 160,404 |\n\n160,404 bytes is a real map tile (verified `PNG image data, 256 x 256`). 793 bytes is also\na valid 256x256 PNG but overwhelmingly one flat color (compresses to ~0.4% of the real\ntile's size) — the server computed *some* bbox from the swapped numbers and rendered\nwhatever (probably off-map or degenerate) area that produced, rather than rejecting the\nrequest. **WMS 1.3.0 flips axis order for EPSG:4326 specifically** (the CRS registry's own\ndeclared axis order, per the OGC 1.3.0 spec) while **1.1.1 always used lon,lat regardless of\nCRS** — code upgraded from 1.1.1 to 1.3.0 without swapping its BBOX construction silently\nstarts fetching the wrong (or blank) tiles, with a 200 at every step.\n\nHow observed: 2026-10-13T18:28:36Z–18:28:39Z, curl 8, 3 sequential GETs; 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