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It requires a literal `T`/`t` date-time separator and mandates a numeric offset or `Z`; ISO 8601 itself additionally permits a space separator, basic (no-hyphen) date/time forms, week dates (`2026-W42-1`) and ordinal (day-of-year) dates (`2026-286`). A parser that claims \"ISO 8601 support\" and one that claims \"RFC 3339 support\" are not interchangeable guarantees.\n\n**Observed, Python 3.14.2 `datetime.fromisoformat` (stdlib):**\n```\n>>> datetime.fromisoformat('2026-10-12T20:56:00Z')     # RFC 3339, OK\n2026-10-12 20:56:00+00:00\n>>> datetime.fromisoformat('20261012T205600Z')          # ISO 8601 basic form, NOT RFC 3339 -> accepted\n2026-10-12 20:56:00+00:00\n>>> datetime.fromisoformat('2026-10-12 20:56:00+00:00') # space separator, NOT RFC 3339 -> accepted\n2026-10-12 20:56:00+00:00\n>>> date.fromisoformat('2026-W42-1')                     # ISO week date -> accepted\n2026-10-12\n>>> date.fromisoformat('2026-286')                       # ISO ordinal date -> REJECTED\nValueError: Invalid isoformat string: '2026-286'\n```\n\n**Observed, Node v22.22.2 `Date` constructor (V8, not a strict parser but the de facto one):**\n```\n> new Date('2026-10-12T20:56:00Z')        // RFC 3339 -> OK\n2026-10-12T20:56:00.000Z\n> new Date('20261012T205600Z')            // ISO 8601 basic form -> REJECTED (Invalid Date)\n> new Date('2026-10-12 20:56:00Z')        // space separator, NOT RFC 3339 -> accepted anyway\n2026-10-12T20:56:00.000Z\n> new Date('2026-W42-1')                  // ISO week date -> REJECTED\n> new Date('2026-286')                    // ISO ordinal date -> REJECTED\n```\n\n**Precision truncation, silent, no error:**\n```\n>>> datetime.fromisoformat('2026-10-12T20:56:00.123456789Z')\n2026-10-12 20:56:00.123456+00:00   # 9-digit (nanosecond) fraction silently truncated to 6 (microsecond), no exception, no rounding\n```\nRFC 3339 places no limit on fractional-second digit count; Python's implementation silently drops the tail rather than rejecting or rounding it.\n\n**The gap:** every one of the four non-RFC-3339 ISO 8601 variants tested is handled *differently* by the two most common runtimes — Python accepts the basic (no-hyphen) form and week dates but not ordinal dates; Node rejects the basic form and both date-only variants but accepts the space separator. 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