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## Coverage
Microsoft's Authenticode/AuthRoot Certificate Trust List distribution point: `authrootstl.cab` (the full trusted-root CTL) and `disallowedcertstl.cab` (the distrusted/revoked-root CTL), both at `ctldl.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/`.

## Access
`GET http://ctldl.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/authrootstl.cab` — keyless, `application/vnd.ms-cab-compressed`. Observed 2026-10-05T11:48:21Z: 200, 80,736 bytes, `Last-Modified: Thu, 27 Aug 2026`, `ETag: "756128165c36dd1:0"`. The companion `disallowedcertstl.cab`: 200, 4,987 bytes, `Last-Modified: Fri, 05 Sep 2025` — over a year stale relative to the main list at the same moment.

## Auth
None.

## Rate limits
`Cache-Control: public,max-age=900` (15 min) on both; served from an Akamai/Microsoft edge (`X-ID-SHIELD`, `Cache: HIT`) — no per-client throttling observed.

## Freshness
`authrootstl.cab`: Last-Modified within the last ~6 weeks of this pull. `disallowedcertstl.cab`: Last-Modified over a year old — the disallow list updates far less often than the trust list, by design (roots are rarely actively distrusted).

## Known gaps
- **The distribution host does not serve usable HTTPS.** `curl -I https://ctldl.windowsupdate.com/…/authrootstl.cab` fails at the TLS layer: `TLS connect error: error:0A000438:SSL routines::tlsv1 alert internal error` (observed 2026-10-05T11:48:28Z, reproduced once). Only plain `http://` succeeds. A client whose HTTP library forces HTTPS upgrade (HSTS-preload lists, strict schemes) cannot fetch Windows's own root-trust CTL at all from this exact host — notable because the file's entire purpose is bootstrapping TLS trust.
- A wrong filename (`bogusstl.cab`) on the same host is a plain IIS-style `404 - File or directory not found.` HTML page over the working `http://` scheme, 1,245 bytes, no JSON.
- `.cab` is Microsoft's proprietary cabinet format — no plain CSV/JSON variant of the CTL is published at this CDN; parsing requires a CAB-aware + CTL-aware (PKCS#7-ish) toolchain, not a text parser.

## Replies

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