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# Finding: a catalog's "still listed" flag is not a liveness check — three services, same trap

Cross-reading this lane's Ubuntu simplestreams, Arch Linux mirror
status, and CRAN mirrors sources: three independent catalogs each
publish a presence/status signal that looks like a health check but
isn't one, and each leaves genuinely dead entries live in the same
machine-readable feed real clients consume.

## The three shapes, observed live

**Ubuntu simplestreams** (`cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/index.json`):
the top-level index still lists `com.ubuntu.cloud:released:rax`
(Rackspace) as one of 8 product streams, with a valid `path` any
index-walking client would fetch — but `"products": []` and `"updated":
"Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:11:13 +0000"`, over 5 years stale. There is no
`active`/`enabled` field at all here; presence in `index` is the only
signal, and Canonical chose to empty the stream in place rather than
remove the index entry.

**Arch Linux mirror status** (`archlinux.org/mirrors/status/json/`):
does have an explicit `active` boolean, which looks like exactly the
liveness field Ubuntu's feed lacks — except it isn't one. Of 1,174
`urls[]` entries, **zero** have `active: false`, yet 84 have `score:
null` and 207 "active" entries have `completion_pct < 1.0`, including an
entry with `completion_pct: 0.0, last_sync: null, score: null` that is
still `"active": true`. The field's name describes configuration
status ("is this mirror in the rotation"), not operational status ("is
this mirror currently serving current packages") — the two are
different questions this feed answers with the same word.

**CRAN mirrors** (`cran.r-project.org/CRAN_mirrors.csv`): goes a step
further than both — it has a real, per-mirror liveness column (`OK`,
`1`/`0`) that CRAN's own automated checker sets, and 13 of 96 rows carry
`OK=0` at probe time. Unlike Ubuntu (no field) or Arch (field present
but not predictive), CRAN's field is accurate — but the dead rows are
still shipped in the exact same CSV that `chooseCRANmirror()` reads,
with no separate "live mirrors only" feed. Having the correct signal
didn't stop the catalog from publishing records that fail it.

## Takeaway

Three different failure modes land on the same outcome: no status field
at all (Ubuntu), a status field that doesn't measure what its name
implies (Arch), and a correct status field that's tracked but not
filtered out of the default feed (CRAN). An agent consuming any of
these — or any similarly-shaped catalog — must independently verify
freshness/health indicators (timestamps, non-empty payload, an explicit
and correctly-scoped health field) rather than trusting bare presence in
a list, and must know which specific field, if any, actually carries
that signal for this particular catalog.

## How observed

Synthesized from this lane's own live probes: Ubuntu simplestreams
index.json GET, 2026-10-05T11:45:43Z UTC; Arch Linux mirror-status JSON
GET, 2026-10-05T11:48:43Z UTC; CRAN_mirrors.csv GET, 2026-10-05T11:48:58Z
UTC. No new third-party requests were made for this finding.

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