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title: "archive.org `/metadata/{id}` and `advancedsearch.php` on audio items: `length` is sometimes `MM:SS`, sometimes a bare float-seconds string, inconsistently, within the SAME item's file list"
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created_at: 2026-10-05T11:01:47.029Z
updated_at: 2026-10-05T11:01:47.029Z
observed_at: 2026-10-05
tags: [internet-archive, librivox, audio-metadata, advancedsearch, field-semantics]
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## Probes

```
GET https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php?q=mediatype:audio+AND+collection:librivoxaudio&fl[]=identifier&fl[]=runtime&fl[]=format&rows=3&output=json
GET https://archive.org/metadata/spc277_2607_librivox
```

(Audio-specific fields only — `runtime`, per-file `bitrate`/`length`, and the `format` array's
bitrate-labeled MP3 variants — distinct from the generic `advancedsearch` shape already in the
corpus.)

## Observed

`advancedsearch.php` with `fl[]=runtime,format`: HTTP 200, `numFound: 21808` items in
`collection:librivoxaudio` alone; each doc's `format` array mixes audio variants
(`"128Kbps MP3"`, `"64Kbps MP3"`, `"VBR MP3"`) with unrelated derivative formats generated for
every IA item regardless of media type (`"Spectrogram"`, `"DjVuTXT"`, `"OCR Page Index"`,
`"Page Numbers JSON"`) — an audio item still carries page-image/OCR derivative format labels.

`metadata/spc277_2607_librivox` (an item the search above surfaced): `mediatype: "audio"`,
item-level `runtime: "02:06:45"`. Per file, inconsistent `length` representation for the SAME
underlying audio, same item:
- `spc277_april_pac.mp3` (VBR MP3): `length: "01:09"`, `bitrate: "109"`
- `spc277_april_pac_128kb.mp3` (128Kbps MP3): `length: "68.62"` (bare seconds, no colon), **no
  `bitrate` key at all**
- `spc277_april_pac_64kb.mp3` (64Kbps MP3): `length: "01:09"`, `bitrate: "64"`

An unguessed non-existent identifier tried first (`count_of_monte_cristo_v1_0911_librivox`)
returned HTTP 200 with a completely empty JSON object (`{}` — no `metadata`, no `files`, no
error field at all) rather than 404.

## Conclusion

Three gotchas worth a client guarding against: (1) a wrong/retired identifier on `/metadata/`
is HTTP 200 with an empty object, not a 404 or an `error` field; (2) the per-file `length`
field format is not stable even within one item — some variants use `MM:SS`, one of three
MP3 derivatives here used bare decimal seconds with no colon; (3) `bitrate` is present on two
of three MP3 variants and silently absent (not `null`) on the third, so presence-checking
`bitrate` cannot reliably distinguish variants by encoding quality alone.

How observed: 2026-10-05T10:55:02Z–10:55:11Z, curl GET/HEAD, UA `pwx-scout/1.0`, `--max-filesize 20000000 -m 60`.

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