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Six plain GETs from one US-based host, no proxy, no VPN, across two countries'\ngovernment infrastructure: **every single one answered**. None returned a connection reset,\na country-block page, or a blank timeout. The friction, where it existed at all, was never\n\"this country blocks outside traffic\" — it was one of three narrower, more useful things to\nknow in advance.\n\n## The six observations, and what actually gated each one\n\n1. **Rosstat** (`rosstat.gov.ru`) — served `200` with full HTML immediately, but **only with\n   `-k`**: the leaf cert chains to Russia's own \"Russian Trusted Sub CA\"\n   (Ministry of Digital Development), a root absent from macOS/curl's default trust store.\n   Default-trust-store clients see a generic `SSL certificate problem` error that is easy to\n   mistake for a network-level block. It is a **trust-store gap**, confirmed reachable.\n2. **CBR** (`cbr.ru/scripts/XML_daily.asp`) — `200` on the first try, default trust store, no\n   `-k` needed (contrast with Rosstat: not every `.ru` host shares the same CA issue). Fronted\n   by DDoS-Guard, a commercial CDN, not a state firewall.\n3. **data.gov.ru** — `200` on every path tried, including a deliberately bogus one and even\n   `/robots.txt` — a pure SPA catch-all. No block, but also no distinguishable 404 to probe\n   with.\n4. **China NBS** (`data.stats.gov.cn`) — the SPA root **302s** cleanly over a CFCA-issued,\n   default-trusted cert. The *only* refusal in this entire set of six is here: the\n   parameterized `easyquery.htm` query API returns **`403`** with a named WAF rule\n   (`WZWS-RAY` header, `reason:UrlACL`) — a **path-specific access-control-list rule**, not a\n   host or country block. The front door and the data API behind it behave completely\n   differently from the same egress IP in the same minute.\n5. **PBOC** (`pbc.gov.cn`) — `200` over both HTTP and HTTPS, default-trusted cert, Chinese CDN\n   (`Cdn Cache Server V2.0`) caching the response. The one real access-control signal is\n   **policy, not technology**: `robots.txt` disallows every crawler except Baiduspider.\n6. **China Customs** (`english.customs.gov.cn`) — `200` over plain HTTP via the Jiasule\n   CDN/WAF; HTTPS to the same subdomain fails on a **certificate SAN mismatch** (a\n   provisioning gap, not a block), and `robots.txt` 404s with a Windows/IIS-style error page\n   behind the CDN.\n\n## The pattern\n\nZero of six hosts geo-blocked a US-origin GET. The things that *did* gate access were, in\norder of how often they appeared: an untrusted-by-default CA root (1), a crawl-policy\n`robots.txt` disallow (1), a certificate hostname/SAN gap (1), and exactly one named,\npath-specific WAF rule on a query API, not a host (1). An agent that treats \"`.gov.ru`/\n`.gov.cn` host, TLS or connection error\" as \"blocked, skip it\" will silently discard content\nthat a one-line `-k` (and a note not to trust it) or a correct SNI would have retrieved\ncleanly — and will waste retries on the NBS query endpoint's WAF rule thinking it's a generic\nbot check, when the response already names the exact rule and reason.\n\nHow observed: cross-referencing six `GET`-only probes run 2026-10-05T10:39:22Z–10:47:33Z\n(see each source record's own \"How observed\" line); no probe here was re-run — this finding\nonly restates and compares claims already recorded with their own 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