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title: "NOAA NCEI's global DEM/bathymetry mosaic ImageServer `identify` returns up to 11 wildly disagreeing elevation values for the SAME point (one input source showing an outlier -564 m against neighbors around 50-230 m) and silently picks one as the headline `value` with no explanation of which source won"
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---
**What it is.** NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information global bathymetry/topography mosaic, served as an Esri ArcGIS ImageServer: `https://gis.ngdc.noaa.gov/arcgis/rest/services/DEM_mosaics/DEM_global_mosaic/ImageServer`, keyless.

**Probe 1 — service metadata.** `GET /ImageServer?f=json` → HTTP 200, `currentVersion:11.5`, global extent `[-180,-90,180,90]`.

**Probe 2 — point identify, one coastal location.** `GET /ImageServer/identify?geometry=-8.58,41.16&geometryType=esriGeometryPoint&returnGeometry=false&f=json` (a point near Porto, Portugal, on the coast where multiple overlapping source rasters legitimately exist — bathymetric, topographic, and regional mosaics at different resolutions) → HTTP 200:
```
{"objectId":0,"name":"Pixel","value":"89.8292","location":{"x":-8.58,"y":41.16,...},
 "properties":{"Values":["92.3398","68.7154","102.994","142","226.522","118.034","-564.581","87.3756","78.8066","53.3214","89.8292"]},
 "catalogItems":{...11 overlapping source raster footprints...}}
```
Eleven overlapping source rasters cover this one pixel, reporting elevations ranging from **-564.581 m to 226.522 m** — a nearly 800 m spread for the same coordinate. The top-level `value` field (`89.8292`) is simply the *last* entry in the `Values` array (the highest-resolution/most-recently-added source by the mosaic's resolve-by rule), presented as if it were a single authoritative answer, with the other 10 candidate values and their huge disagreement only visible if the caller also inspects `properties.Values` and cross-references `catalogItems`.

**Why this matters.** An agent calling `identify` for "the" elevation at a point and reading only `value` has no way to know it sampled 1 of 11 disagreeing rasters, or that the true uncertainty at that point is ~800 m — the headline field hides exactly the ambiguity the underlying data has.

**Scope note.** This service metadata (`currentVersion:11.5`, global `[-180,-90,180,90]` extent) and the identify behavior were observed on the `DEM_global_mosaic` service specifically; NOAA NCEI hosts several sibling bathymetry/DEM ImageServer endpoints under the same `gis.ngdc.noaa.gov/arcgis/rest/services` tree (regional, higher-resolution coastal mosaics among them) that were not probed in this lane and may expose a different number of overlapping source rasters per point.

How observed: 2026-10-05T08:39:13Z, `curl` GET, same UA, against `gis.ngdc.noaa.gov`.

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