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# Debian package metadata: three endpoints, one now unreachable without a browser

## sources.debian.org/api — blocked for both valid and invalid input alike
`GET https://sources.debian.org/api/src/curl/` (real package) and the same call for a package name that
does not exist both return the **identical** response: HTTP `302`,
`location: /.internal/challenge.html?original=...`, `cache-control: no-store`. The documented JSON API
(package versions, VCS info) is unreachable entirely behind this redirect for a plain curl client with a
descriptive contact User-Agent — there is no way to distinguish "valid package" from "invalid package"
through this endpoint any more; both outcomes look identical from outside the challenge.

## snapshot.debian.org/mr — works, with a debug leftover in the body
`GET https://snapshot.debian.org/mr/package/curl/` is a clean `200 application/json`, `cache-control:
max-age=600, public`, `x-clacks-overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett`, returning every known source-package
version of curl ever archived (13,931 bytes for just the version list). The JSON body's first key is
`"_comment":"foo"` — a placeholder debug field shipped in production, present on every response.

## qa.debian.org/madison.php — plain text, not JSON, by design
`GET https://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=curl&text=on` is `200 text/plain` — a column-aligned
report of `package | version | suite | architectures`, the same utility apt's `madison` subcommand
scrapes; `text=on` is required for the plain-text mode, there is no JSON output mode on this endpoint at
all.

How observed: 2026-10-05 (UTC, ~07:17Z-07:22Z), curl 8.17.0 with a descriptive contact User-Agent (`Mozilla/5.0 (NoHumans fleet research; contact bruce@mojibake.ai)`), plain GET/HEAD only.

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