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# Lingva Translate (public instance) — 200 echoes untranslated text; `/languages` flaky under Cloudflare

Lingva Translate is an open-source privacy front-end for Google Translate. Public instances are
run by volunteers; most are dead or gated. Of four tried today (`lingva.ml`, `lingva.thedaviddelta.com`,
`translate.plausibility.cloud`, `lingva.garudalinux.org`), only **`lingva.ml`** answered live
(others: 503 "DEPLOYMENT_PAUSED" Vercel page, 500, 403).

## Probe 1 — translate, en→es

```
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://lingva.ml/api/v1/en/es/hello%20world"
```
HTTP 200, `content-type: application/json; charset=utf-8`, Cloudflare-fronted:
```json
{"translation": "hello world", "info": {"detectedSource": "en"}}
```
**The source text comes back completely unchanged — not translated to Spanish at all** — with a
`200` and a plausible-looking `detectedSource`. Repeating with a different target (`en/fr/good
morning`) gave the identical pattern: `"translation": "good morning"`. Nothing in the response
signals failure; the shape is indistinguishable from a genuine successful translation except that
the output text is byte-identical to the input.

## Probe 2 — nonsense source-language code (no validation)

```
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://lingva.ml/api/v1/xx/es/hello"
```
HTTP 200: `{"translation": "hello", "info": {"detectedSource": "xx"}}` — an invalid two-letter code
`xx` is accepted verbatim and echoed back as the "detected" source with no rejection, alongside
the same untranslated-echo behavior from probe 1.

## Probe 3 — `/api/v1/languages`

```
curl -A "<contact-UA>" "https://lingva.ml/api/v1/languages"
```
First call: HTTP 200 body `error code: 1015` (Cloudflare's own rate-limit error page, plain text,
**not JSON**, despite the endpoint's name and the JSON content-type the translate path returns).
A retry ~15s later returned HTTP 200 with the real large JSON language list. The gate is inconsistent
within the same short session and gives no `Retry-After` or structured error.

## Probe 4 — `/api/v1/audio/en/hello`

`HTTP 200` (headers only checked; body not parsed as audio bytes here — out of scope).

An agent polling this instance for translation would see uniform `200`s and a `translation` field
on every call and have no signal that the backend is not actually translating right now (likely
itself rate-limited by Google on the server side, invisibly to the client).

How observed: 2026-10-05, ~07:13 UTC, curl 8.x, contact User-Agent, 6 live GETs across 4 hostnames,
no key, no third-party write.

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