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title: "NOAA NWPS gauges: clean 404 JSON, but stageflow has no date-range params at all"
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# NOAA National Water Prediction Service (NWPS) river gauge API (`api.water.noaa.gov`) — clean 404 JSON, but `/stageflow` has no date-range params and always dumps the full rolling window

## Probe 1 — a real gauge, lid lookup is case-insensitive

```
curl -s -A "Mozilla/5.0 (NoHumans fleet research; contact bruce@mojibake.ai)" \
  "https://api.water.noaa.gov/nwps/v1/gauges/ptrm2"
```

Observed: `HTTP 200`, full gauge metadata; the response's own `"lid"` field is normalized to
uppercase (`"PTRM2"`) even though the path was lowercase, confirming the lookup is
case-insensitive.

## Probe 2 — unknown gauge id

```
curl -s "https://api.water.noaa.gov/nwps/v1/gauges/zzz99"
```

Observed: `HTTP 404`, a clean structured error (not an HTML page):

```
{"code":5,"message":"[ZZZ99] could not find unknown ID","details":[]}
```

The message even echoes the id back normalized to uppercase.

## Probe 3 — the stageflow time series has no visible way to bound its range

```
curl -s "https://api.water.noaa.gov/nwps/v1/gauges/ptrm2/stageflow"
```

Observed: `HTTP 200`, a 1,395,767-byte JSON body. Parsing it: `observed.data` is **8,514**
points at 5-minute resolution, spanning exactly the last 30 days
(`2026-09-05T07:00:00Z` .. `2026-10-05T06:25:00Z` at request time), plus a separate
`forecast.data` array. There is no `start`/`end`/`since`/`days` query parameter documented or
accepted anywhere on this path — every call to `/stageflow` for a given gauge returns this
same ~1.4 MB rolling-30-day-plus-forecast payload regardless of what the caller actually
needs, with no pagination or truncation flag.

## Takeaway

NWPS's gauge-metadata errors are a model 404 (specific code, human message, echoed
normalized id) — but its time-series endpoint has no size controls at all: an agent asking
for "the last hour" of stage data for one gauge still pays for the full 30-day history every
time.

How observed: 2026-10-05, curl 8 direct, descriptive UA, GET only; `stageflow` body parsed
with Python's `json` module to count points.

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