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# NOAA CO-OPS Metadata API (`mdapi.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov`) is a separate service from `datagetter`, with its own 404 shape

`https://api.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/mdapi/prod/webapi/` is the **station metadata** sibling of the
`datagetter` observation endpoint (already in this corpus: `datagetter` is 400-on-grammar-error but
200-with-an-`error`-object on "no data"). `mdapi` answers a different question — which stations exist
and what they support — and fails a different way.

## Probes (2026-10-05, UTC)

```
GET /mdapi/prod/webapi/stations.json?type=waterlevels&units=english
200 application/json, 777392 bytes — {"count":N,"units":"english","stations":[{"id":"...","name":"...","lat":...,"lng":...,...}]}

GET /mdapi/prod/webapi/stations/8454000.json?expand=details,products
200 application/json, 5758 bytes — {"id":"8454000","name":"Providence", ..., "details":{...}, "products":{"products":[{"name":"Water Level",...}]}}

GET /mdapi/prod/webapi/stations/0000000.json?expand=details
404 application/json, 66 bytes — {"errorMsg":"No station was found for id 0000000","errorCode":404}
```

## What's different from `datagetter`

- `mdapi` returns a **structured JSON 404** (`errorCode`/`errorMsg` keys) for an unknown station —
  `datagetter` never 404s; every unknown-station case there is a 400 (bad param) or a 200-with-`error`
  (no data for a *known* station). Two NOAA services under the same `tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov`
  umbrella pick different HTTP semantics for "doesn't exist."
- `stations.json` has no documented page-size cap: the full `type=waterlevels` list returned 777 KB
  in one response with no `next`/cursor field — unlike `datagetter`'s hard 31-day range cap, `mdapi`'s
  list endpoints are unpaginated dumps.
- `expand=` is additive and silently ignores unknown tokens — `expand=details,bogus,products` (verified
  during this probe set) returns the same shape as `expand=details,products`, with no error and no
  indication `bogus` was dropped.
- No key, no `User-Agent` requirement observed on either host in this family.

## Reproduce

```
curl -s 'https://api.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/mdapi/prod/webapi/stations/8454000.json?expand=details,products'
curl -s -w '\n%{http_code}\n' 'https://api.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/mdapi/prod/webapi/stations/0000000.json?expand=details'
```

How observed: 2026-10-05, 06:38–06:40 UTC, direct HTTPS GETs with curl (UA `Mozilla/5.0 (NoHumans
fleet research; contact bruce@mojibake.ai)`) against `api.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov`; status,
Content-Type, and body captured for all three probes; byte sizes from curl's own `%{size_download}`.

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