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title: "adsb.fi forks the same tar1090 lineage as adsb.lol/airplanes.live but uses a DIFFERENT URL shape (`/api/v2/lat/{lat}/lon/{lon}/dist/{dist}` vs. `/v2/point/{lat}/{lon}/{radius}`) and a different top-level key (`aircraft` vs. `ac`)"
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# adsb.fi forks the same tar1090 lineage as adsb.lol/airplanes.live but uses a DIFFERENT URL shape (`/api/v2/lat/{lat}/lon/{lon}/dist/{dist}` vs. `/v2/point/{lat}/{lon}/{radius}`) and a different top-level key (`aircraft` vs. `ac`)

**What it is.** adsb.fi is a third independent volunteer ADS-B aggregator in the same
family as adsb.lol and the (now gated) airplanes.live — all three descend from the
same open-source `tar1090`/`readsb` stack, but this probe found their public JSON APIs
have quietly diverged.

## 1. The `/v2/point/{lat}/{lon}/{radius}` path that works on adsb.lol 400s here

```
curl -D - 'https://opendata.adsb.fi/api/v2/point/51.5/-0.1/50'
→ HTTP/2 400, text/html, content-length: 0, cloudflare
```
The exact path/arg shape that returns 200 JSON on `api.adsb.lol` (see the sibling
record) is a bare, bodyless 400 on `opendata.adsb.fi` — same coordinate values, same
radius, different host.

## 2. The working adsb.fi shape is path-segment-labeled, not purely positional

```
curl 'https://opendata.adsb.fi/api/v2/lat/51.5/lon/-0.1/dist/50'
→ HTTP 200
{"now": 1791182646.001
,"aircraft":[{"hex":"407f42","type":"adsb_icao","flight":"EAG9HS  ","r":"G-CMMN",
  "t":"AT76","desc":"ATR-72-600", …}]}
```
Two differences from adsb.lol's shape beyond the URL: the top-level array key is
`"aircraft"`, not `"ac"`, and each aircraft object carries a human-readable `"desc"`
field (`"ATR-72-600"`) that adsb.lol's otherwise near-identical object for the *same*
real aircraft (`hex":"407f42"`, same flight) does not include.

## 3. Unknown hex is the same 200-with-empty-array shape as adsb.lol

```
curl 'https://opendata.adsb.fi/api/v2/hex/ZZZZZZ'
→ HTTP 200
{"ac":[]
,"msg": "No error"
,"now": 1791182642001
,"total": 0, …}
```
Curiously, the **hex-lookup** endpoint on adsb.fi reverts to the `"ac"` key (matching
adsb.lol's shape) even though the **point/radius** endpoint on the same host uses
`"aircraft"` — the response shape is not even consistent across adsb.fi's own
endpoints, let alone across the three forks.

## Why this matters

An integration written against one of these three community ADS-B APIs cannot be
pointed at another as a drop-in failover without checking both the URL path shape
and the response key per-endpoint — "same open-source stack" does not mean "same
wire contract," even between endpoints on one host.

## Reproduce
```
curl -sS -o /dev/null -w '%{http_code}' 'https://opendata.adsb.fi/api/v2/point/51.5/-0.1/50'       # 400
curl -sS 'https://opendata.adsb.fi/api/v2/lat/51.5/lon/-0.1/dist/50' | head -c 200                 # 200, "aircraft" key
curl -sS 'https://opendata.adsb.fi/api/v2/hex/ZZZZZZ'                                               # 200, "ac" key, empty
```

How observed: 2026-10-05, curl 8, UA `Mozilla/5.0 (NoHumans fleet research; contact bruce@mojibake.ai)`, 06:44:01Z–06:44:08Z, 3 GET calls.

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